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The next participant in our Q&A interview series is Bill Neel, an avid driver and promoters of draft mules.

Where do you live?  My wife, Lyn, and I live on a ranch, just south of Eugene, Oregon, that sits alongside the original Oregon-to-California stage road.

How are you involved in the driving/carriage world?  We own and drive Belgian-cross draft mules and collect and restore antique vehicles. I have four pair [eight mules] and attempt to drive each pair twice a week year round. We compete at shows in the West from May to Oct., usually lay off the month of Nov., and then begin working inside in Dec. to prepare for the show season in May.

I won the title of World Champion Driver at the Bishop Mule Days Show in 2005 and 2007. I was Reserve Champion in 2006. We skipped Bishop in 2008 and 2009 but will be back this year. Our last, and fanciest show each year is in Sandpoint, Idaho. At that show in 2009, I placed second in Singles, first in Pairs and Unicorn, third in Team, third in Four Abreast, and first in Six-Up Conformation.

Since I maintain eight draft mules, about sixteen vehicles, and twenty-two sets of harness from show to military, I guess you could say I’m in it up to my ears.

How long have you been driving? How did you become interested in this sport/world?  We started driving in 1975 with a pair of Morgan/Hackney crosses and graduated to draft mules in 2000. We drove a Platform Spring Wagon with a local history on which we did some preservation. I’ve ridden on and off most of my life. Lyn and I both showed cutting horses on the Oregon, Northwest, Pacific Coast, and national circuits for about twenty-five years, beginning in 1972.

Do you come from a driving/horsy family?  I’m from a routine western ranching family, not particularly “horsy.” Lyn was from Pasadena and had no horse experience there.

If you have children, do they ride or drive?  We have a son and a daughter. They both rode cutting horses competitively and our son competed in high school and college rodeo, but neither ride or own horses at this time. We have two grandsons of high school and college age, neither of whom will even ride with me in a wagon/carriage!

Are you a CAA member?  Yes, we’ve been members for about eight years. We have attended CAA events at the KY Horse Park and in California, and plan on attending more. We have been to Windsor to meet the Queen and have made some wonderful friends.

What was your first equine? What do you drive now?  Our first horses were ranch Quarter Horses, followed by high-quality cutting horses. Our first driving experience was with a pair of Morgan/Hackney crosses. We did not drive single until very recently, and now, only as necessary for competition. We compete in Singles and Pairs, Unicorn, Team, Four Abreast, and Six-Up, as well as Timed Obstacles (cones), and Gambler’s Choice classes, all with our draft mules. We also participate in a number of parades and competitions where period dress and turnout are judged. We particularly enjoy two- to five-day trail drives with our Chuck Wagon, particularly over portions of the Oregon Trail.

What types of carriage(s) do you drive/collect?  We collect and restore western vehicles suitable to mules and we drive everything we collect. At the present time we own: a Platform Spring Wagon, often called a Mountain Wagon (c. 1885 with local history; this was our first vehicle); a Henderson Long-spring Sierra Mountain Wagon built for the Yellowstone trade (c. 1905, restored); a Weber Chuck Wagon (c. 1890–1900, with original paint, some new parts, and a solid reach); a Weber Farm Wagon (c. 1900–1915, with original paint, some new parts, and a swivel reach); a country-style Hearse mfg. by Samuel Convers, Lowell, Mass. (c. 1854, restored by Morgan Carriage); a Portland Cutter (with doors) mfg. by Lull Carriage Works, Kalamazoo, Mich., restored; an Army Escort Wagon, model of 1906 mfg. by Moline Plow Co. in original preserved condition; a Spring Wagon (with most unusual axles and springs, original condition and paint); a Studebaker Rockaway, restored; a Hitch Wagon (Express Wagon) with local history, restored; a Show Wagon that we use in competition; and a contemporary Road Cart that we use in competition. In addition, we have a second Hitch Wagon, a Wagonette, a Pole Cart, two Forecarts, and a Stone Boat, all contemporary vehicles and in daily use.

Do you have a favorite vehicle among your own collection?  Choosing among vehicles is like choosing among children. I just finished two-and-a-half years of work completely restoring my Hitch Wagon so it is probably my current “favorite,” followed by my Henderson, which is the most appropriate Western wagon. My Hearse is the most nearly perfect and interesting, and I love my Escort Wagon—in that order, but it may change next week. It should be noted that EACH vehicle has appropriate harness and attire for a complete turnout. I do a great deal of restoration but also have employed experts (Morgan Carriage Works and Oxbow Trading Co.) when prudent. Most of my vehicles fall under the wagon rather than the carriage class, but then I am a westerner and I have mules.

What is the most interesting/far-flung place that your driving has taken you?  The forty-mile section of the Oregon/California Trail across the Humbolt Sink known as “The Fearful Crossing” while reading the journal of my great-great-grandfather, who wrote of the same crossing in 1849.

Do you have a favorite carriage museum or vehicle?  I don’t have a favorite carriage museum, but I thoroughly enjoy original Henderson Mud Wagons, manufactured in Stockton, Calif., and used – with mules of course – in the West.

Do you have a favorite carriage type, builder, era, etc.?  Milton Henderson, M. P. Henderson & Son of Stockton, Calif., is my favorite builder, and I love his Mud Wagons, though I will probably never own one, and his Yosemite vehicles, which I do own.

Is there a particular era/time period/type of vehicle in history that you would enjoy traveling back to … and driving in?  We participate in Rendezvous of the fur-trade era (1820–40), and reenactments of the Civil War era (with the Hearse) and the Cattle Drive era (1875 to 1885). We do WWI reenactments with the Escort Wagon. We both probably prefer the Cattle Drive era since it suits our mules and our Chuck Wagon, and the drives are often several days with overnight stays in a trail tent alongside the wagon.

Our outfits were featured in Bob Mischka’s mule calendars in 2008 (we were on the November page with the Escort Wagon for Armistice Day) and 2009 (on the May page for the Rendezvous Fur Trade).

Do/did you ride or participate in other horse sports?  I ride and pack my pair of John mules, though not in competition. I also hunt in wilderness areas with my mules.

What do you like best about driving/collecting as a hobby/sport?  When sitting on the box with four on the ribbons, all the world is right.

What spectator sports do you enjoy watching? Who is your favorite team/player?  None and double none.

What was your first / favorite car?  My first car was a classic 1947 MG-TC, which I used in sportscar rallies and showed in Concours de Elegance, including Pebble Beach in 1957. I now own a 1991 limited-edition (one of 3,000) racing GMC Syclone pickup, which is my “toy” car.

Do you have any other pets?  Lyn and I own a pair of working English Setters, Max and Gus, over which we shoot grouse, pheasant, chukar, huns, and quail.

What is your favorite food/cuisine?  Lyn and I both enjoy cooking. Our fare tends to gravitate to Western and Chuck Wagon dishes with a lot of game thrown in. As to our favorites, it would be a toss-up among venison medallions (or venison liver, bacon, and onions), Indian-style smoked Chinook salmon with sage and garlic, or grouse with herbs du Provence.

What is your favorite holiday?  We participate in parades on Memorial Day, Independence Day, Armistice Day, and Labor Day so each is different and fun. Thanksgiving to Christmas is catch up and rest time in a busy year. We spend the time turning the mules out, cleaning harness, and counting our blessings.

Bill also sent photos of his mules and wagons; here are just a few:

Bill driving four of his draft mules to his restored Hearse, in a parade

the Neels driving in the desert

Bill driving a six-up of his draft mules in a competition

two of the Neels’ wagons

a close-up look at one of the Neels’ beautiful draft mules

This semi-regular feature of the blog usually appears on Fridays. But with tomorrow and Friday being holidays, we’ll count today (Wednesday) as “Friday” for this week and introduce you to this week’s participant in our “getting to know you” series … Gerry Glazier.

Where do you live?  Canada

How did you become interested in this sport/world?  My brother was the coachman for James Coson, of Beechdale Farm in Bird-in-Hand, PA

Do you come from a driving/horsy family?  My family had Clydesdales

If you have children, do they ride or drive?  My granddaughter rides

Are you a CAA member?  I’ve been a member for 20 years

If you drive: What was your first equine? What do you drive now?  My first horse was a Clydesdale and now I drive a Haflinger

Have you attempted a carriage restoration by yourself or do you leave that to others?  I leave that to others

What is the most interesting/far-flung place that your interest in driving has taken you?  The Royal Mews at Buckingham Palace

Do you have a favorite horse-drawn vehicle (past or present)?  The Old Times coach owned by Harvey and Mary Waller of Massachusetts

What is your favorite carriage type, builder, era, etc.?  Brewster

Is there a particular era/time period/type of vehicle in history that you would enjoy traveling back to … and driving in?  The turn of the century

Do or did you ride or participate in other horse sports?  Haflinger classes at the fall fairs

What do you like best about driving/collecting as a hobby?  I enjoy meeting other CAA members

What spectator sports do you enjoy watching? Hockey

Who is your favorite team?  Columbus Blue Jackets

What kind of car do you drive?  I drive a Ford 150 pickup; my first car was 1957 Ford

What is your favorite food/cuisine?  Roast beef and mashed potatoes

What was the last movie you saw? What did you think of it?  White Christmas. I enjoyed it; the movie brought back memories

What is your favorite holiday?  Christmas is my favorite holiday because I enjoy the family time

This week’s participant in our Q&A interview series is Dale DeHaan, who is one of the CAA’s honorary directors …

Where do you live?  Michigan

For those who don’t know you: How are you involved in the driving/carriage world?  Pleasure driving

How long have you driving/collecting, etc.?  Rode and drove as a boy then got back involved 25 years ago

Do you come from a driving/horsy family?  No

If you have children, do they ride or drive?  Both ride and drive, and our grandchildren are also interested

Are you a CAA member?  My wife and I are life members

If you drive: What was your first equine? What do you drive now? A Morgan, and a Morgan

What type of carriage(s) do you drive/collect?  I collect “light sporting” vehicles; we have about 25 in our collection.

Do you own/collect any antique vehicles? Do you have a favorite among your own collection? And have you attempted a carriage restoration by yourself or do you leave that to others?  All the vehicles in my collection are antiques; my favorite is a Shooting Break by Kimball. Pretty much all of them have been restored by Ernie and Daryl Schwartz of Antique Carriage Restorations

What is the most interesting/far-flung place that your driving/collecting/interest has taken you? The CAA trip to Ebbs, Austria, for the World Singles Championship

Do you have a favorite carriage museum?  Perhaps the Florida Carriage Museum in Weirsdale

Do you have a favorite carriage type, builder, era, etc.?  Kimball, Studebaker, or Brewster … I really like the toe-board vehicles

Is there a particular era / time period / type of vehicle in history that you would enjoy traveling back to … and driving in?  I was born 100 years too late!

Do you compete?  I compete in pleasure shows

Do/did you ride or participate in other horse sports?  No

What do you like best about driving as a hobby/sport?  The people and the genteel nature of the sport

What spectator sports do you enjoy watching?  Michigan State University basketball or football

What kind of car do you drive?  Nissan Murano

Do you have any other pets?  Barn cats

What is your favorite food/cuisine?  Fish

What was the last movie you saw?  Saw the play “Jersey Boys” in Chicago a couple of weeks ago and thought it was great

What is your favorite holiday?  Christmas; I love the reason for the season

The next participant in our (sometimes weekly) interview series is David Saunders, a CAA member who is originally from England but who now lives here in the U.S.

Where do you live?  Florida

For those who don’t know you:  How are you involved in the driving/carriage world? Professional coachman and trainer, competitor, consultant

How long have you been driving, etc.?  Forty years

Do you come from a driving/horsy family?  Yes, my father was a whipper-in for the hunt, and my grandfather was master of hounds in Melton Mowbry

If you have children, do they ride or drive?  Yes

Are you a CAA member?  Yes; I’ve been a member for twenty years

What was your first driving equine?  Cleveland Bay

What do you drive now?  Morgans

What types of carriage(s) do you drive/collect?  All types

What is the most interesting/far-flung place that your driving has taken you?  Australia, Italy, Europe in general

Do you have a favorite carriage museum?  The Royal Mews [at Buckingham Palace in London]

Do you have a favorite carriage type, builder, era, etc.?  Coaches by Cowlet and Selby

Is there a particular era/time period/type of vehicle in history that you would enjoy traveling back to … and driving in?  Chariots in ancient Egypt

What’s your favorite type of competition / class / CDE phase?  CDE marathons

Do you ride or participate in other horse sports?  Not any more

What do you like best about driving as a hobby/sport?  Meeting other people

What spectator sports do you enjoy watching?  Olympics

What car do you drive / what was your first car?  A pickup truck, and a minivan

Do you have any other pets?  We have four dogs, two cats, and three budgies

What is your favorite food/cuisine?  Indian

What was the last movie you saw?  2012 … didn’t think much of it

What is your favorite holiday?  New Year’s is my favorite because it means we can start again

Today’s participant in our weekly interview series is Henry Sester, whose printing company does a brilliant job with our magazine, The Carriage Journal.

Where do you live?  Southwestern Ohio, near Miami University

How long have you been driving and how did you become interested in this sport/world?  I started driving at the age of 49; my brother-in-law was a driver and got me interested as well

Do you come from a driving/horsy family?  I remember my dad plowing the garden with a mule when I was small child, but my first real experience was a pony that I had for a short time as a young teenager. After that, we moved to the city and I had no contact with horses again until near the age of fifty

If you have children, do they ride or drive?  We have two adult children, neither of whom ride or drive, but we have two granddaughters who love horses and are always ready for riding. They haven’t taken much interest in driving yet

Are you a CAA member?  Yes, for approximately 5 years

What do you drive?  Because of my brother-in-law’s influence, we have Haflingers for driving. We have also driven our Quarter Horse occasionally

What types of carriage(s) do you drive/collect?  I have three vehicles: a rarely used fore cart for miscellaneous rough work (I need to sell), a Robert Carriages Trail Buggy with pneumatic tires, and a Jagdwagen (hunting wagon) made by Andrzejewski Carriages in Poland

Do you own/collect any antique vehicles? Do you have a favorite vehicle among your own collection?  I have no antique vehicles, but I enjoy the Andrzejewski carriage very much

Do you compete? If so, what’s your favorite type of competition / class / CDE phase?  I don’t compete (yet), but if time and money were of no consideration, I would enjoy marathons and cones competitions

Do/did you ride or participate in other horse sports?  I enjoy pleasure riding at home or at a nearby state park

What do you like best about driving as a hobby/sport?  I like driving because it is an unusual hobby, because I enjoy horses, and because of the wonderful people I have met through carriage driving and related organizations

What car do you drive? Do you have a “dream” car you wish you could drive? What was your first car?  My first car was a ’57 Chevrolet, my present car is a Cadillac CTS-V (6-speed, 400 horses). I could enjoy any one of several German vehicles with lots of horsepower

Do you have any other pets?  An Akita

What is your favorite food/cuisine?  Whatever my wife cooks

What is your favorite holiday?  Memorial Day. It’s a day to honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom, and it is the beginning of the summer season

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